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10.25.2010

Insulation: Guidelines, Facts, Applications,

ABOUT INSULATION

Thicker is better In cold weather, a puffy parka holds in your body heat. Insulation does the same thing for a house. The thicker the insulation, the better it works to reduce heat flow from the inside of a home to the outside during winter, and from outside to inside during summer.
The thermal barrier of a home should consist of a continuous layer of insulation on all sides—including the lowest floor, the exterior walls, and the ceiling or roof.

Doubling the thickness of insulation will double the insulation's R-value, cutting heat loss in half. Each time the insulation layer is doubled in thickness, this rule applies. The energy saved per year by doubling insulation from R-10 to R-20, however, will be considerably more than the energy saved by doubling insulation from R-20 to R-40, because of the law of diminishing returns. In some cases, like an attic, it's worth piling on more insulation because there is plenty of room. It's much more expensive to add that much insulation to exterior walls.

It takes more than just insulation to slow heat Stopping air leaks is just as important—maybe more important—than adding insulation. Unless builders prevent air from leaking through walls and ceilings, insulation alone won't do much good. Not only are drafts uncomfortable, but air moving through insulated cavities can cut the efficiency of the insulation by as much as 50%.
Some insulation types make good air barriers, and some don't. In all cases, it's best to keep the insulation tight to the air barrier.

THERMAL BRIDGING IS CONDUCTION IN ACTION

When there is no insulation in a roof or wall, the framing is the most insulated part of the assembly. It has the highest R-value. Softwood lumber has an R-value of 1.25 per inch, so a 2x6 stud has an R-value of almost 7. As soon as you put insulation between the studs or rafters above R-7, however, the framing becomes the weak thermal link. If the framing cavities are filled with closed-cell spray foam insulation, the insulation has an R-value of about 36. At that point, the studs or rafters become a glaring weakness in the design.

Building scientists call this phenomenon "thermal bridging" because the studs or rafters bridge the space between inside and outside the thermal envelope.

If you look for it, thermal bridging can sometimes be seen from either inside or outside. Inside, it can cause a problem called ghosting, or cold stripes behind the drywall during winter. These cold stripes can encourage condensation that leads to the accumulation of dust particles on the drywall; eventually, visible vertical stripes may form. Outside, you can see the effect of thermal bridging in snow-melt patterns on roofs and drying patterns on walls.

A continuous layer of rigid foam installed on the inside or outside of a wall or roof drastically reduces thermal bridging through the framing.

R-VALUE MEASURES HOW WELL INSULATION WORKS

Heat flows from hot to cold; it can't be stopped, but it can be slowed If we measure the rate at which heat flows through a building material or building assembly—for example, a wall or a roof—we can calculate a number (the R-value) to indicate its insulating ability. The higher a material's R-value, the better the material is at resisting heat flow through conduction, convection, and radiation (outlined above). Insulation manufacturers report R-values determined by tests following ASTMstandards (for example, ASTM C518).

Common insulation types and their R-values Residential insulation materials have R-values that range from about 3 to 7 per inch. The amount of insulation installed in any given building assembly depends on the climate, the part of the house being insulated, the project budget, and local code requirements.
  • Batts and blankets: R-3.1 to R-4.1 per in.
  • Blown-in and loose-fill insulation: R-2.6 to R-4.2 per in.
  • Rigid foam: R-3.6 to R-6.8 per in.
  • Closed-cell spray foam: R-6 to R-6.8 per in.
  • Open-cell spray foam: R-3.5 to R-3.6 per in.
Green homes go beyond code minimum
The U.S. Department of Energy has developed a list of recommended insulation levels for different climate zones. The climate zones are represented on the map (click to enlarge). Houses heated by natural gas, fuel oil, or an electric heat pump should use the R-values set out by the DOE and listed below as a base. Because electric heat is relatively expensive, houses with electric resistance heat need more insulation than shown in the table below.

In some parts of the country, minimum code requirements for insulation already (or may soon) exceed these DOE recommendations. For example, the 2009 International Residential Code requires cold-climate builders to include a minimum of R-20 wall insulation and R-15 basement wall insulation.

DOE-Department of Energy-recommended R-values for various parts of a house
ZoneAtticWall Floor Slab edge Basement wall (framing cavity insulation) Basement wall (continuous rigid insulation)
1 R-30 to R-49R-13 to R-15R-13R-4R-11R-10
2-3 R-30 to R-60R-13 to R-15R-13 to R-25R-8R-11R-10
4 R-38 to R-60R-16 to R-21R-25 to R-30R-8R-11R-4
5 R-38 to R-60R-16 to R-27R-25 to R-30R-8R-11 to R-19R-10 to R-15
6-8R-49 to R-60R-18 to R-27R-25 to R-30R-8R-11 to R-19R-10 to R-15

In any case, green builders almost always exceed minimum code requirements for insulation thickness. Many energy consultants, including Betsy Pettit and Joseph Lstiburek, now recommend that cold-climate homes include R-60 ceilings, R-40 above-grade walls, R-20 basement walls, and R-10 basement slabs.

Some builders go further; for example, an Illinois home designed to meet the rigorous German Passivhaus standard is insulated to nearly R-60 on every side—even under the slab.

AIR AND MOISTURE ARE PART OF THE PICTURE

Insulation can't work in a wind tunnel No matter what type of insulation you choose, it will perform poorly if installed in a house that is riddled with air leaks. Because many types of insulation (like loose fill and batts) work by trapping air, leaky walls, roofs, and floors mean poor thermal performance. For this reason, building scientists are fanatical about air-sealing. To get the most out of batts and blown insulation, every house needs an air barrier adjacent to or contiguous with the insulation layer.
Some types of insulation are fairly effective at stopping air infiltration. For example, when rigid foam is used as wall sheathing, it can be an effective barrier, as long as the seams are taped. Spray polyurethane foam creates a very effective air barrier.

But neither rigid foam nor spray foam addresses air leaks at the seams where different components meet, such as under the bottom plates of walls. An air barrier is only effective if all of these seams and intersections are addressed with gaskets, glues, or sealants.

Of all available insulation materials, fiberglass batts are the most permeable to air leakage—so permeable that fiberglass is used to make furnace air filters. Because it doesn't restrict air flow, fiberglass is often singled out and derided for its poor performance.

In fact, much of the criticism of fiberglass insulation is unwarranted. As long as fiberglass is installed in a house with an adequate air barrier, it will perform well. Fiberglass performs best when installed in a framing cavity (for example, a stud bay or joist bay) with an air barrier on all six sides.
Installation details for high-quality fiberglass batts have been incorporated into the insulation installation guidelines established by the home raters from the Residential Energy Services Network (RESNET).

For every location in a house, there are always several ways to create an effective air barrier. However, not all methods are equally easy to achieve. In many locations, including rim-joist areas, spray polyurethane foam is so much faster than alternative methods that its use has become almost universal among builders of high-performance homes.

Moisture can piggyback on air There's another benefit to stopping air: less moisture in roofs and walls. That's because most moisture problems in walls and roofs are caused by moisture transported by air. Vapor diffusionis a much smaller problem.

Moisture can accumulate in a wall or ceiling when warm, humid interior air leaks through cracks in the shell. When this exfiltrating air encounters a cold surface—for example, OSB wall sheathing—the moisture in the air can condense into liquid and puddle in the wall cavity. The same thing can happen in summer, when warm, humid outdoor air leaks through cracks in the wall. If the home is air-conditioned, the moisture in this infiltrating air can condense when it reaches any cool surface—drywall, ductwork, etc. The best way to limit this type of moisture migration is to install an effective air barrier. If air isn't leaking through cracks in a home's walls and ceilings, the problem is nipped in the bud.

Insulation can stop air Some insulation types act as air barriers, while others act like air filters. If you choose an insulation that doesn't stop air flow, it's important to install an adjacent air barrier material.

Best to worst at stopping airflow: Spray foam Rigid foam Cellulose Blown-in fiberglass Fiberglass batts

SHOULD INSULATION STOP VAPOR?

Vapor permeability can be a good thing or a bad thing — vapor retarders slow wetting, but they also slow drying, which may be more important. As long as you design a roof, wall, or floor assembly with these concepts in mind, then almost any type of insulation can work.

Least to most vapor permeable: Foil-faced polyisocyanurate Closed-cell spray foam XPS EPS Open-cell spray foam Cellulose Blown-in fiberglass Fiberglass batts

More on the vapor permance of insulation materials at BuildingScience.com.

INSULATE OUTSIDE THE BOX

Although residential wall insulation is traditionally installed in stud cavities, the best place to locate wall insulation is outside the frame. This exterior insulation reduces the thermal-bridging effect that studs have in a wall, because each piece of framing can act as a thermal bridge through the cavity insulation. These thermal bridges seriously degrade the performance of the wall.

The thermal-bridging effect can be partially addressed by using rigid foam sheathing—usually 1 in. or 2 in. of XPS or polyisocyanurate. Even better are wall designs that place all the insulation—6 in. to 10 in. of rigid foam—outside the framing.

When insulation is outside the frame, framing materials stay warm and dry. When stud bays are not filled with insulation, the work of electricians and plumbers is greatly simplified.
Houses with foam sheathing should not include an interior polyethylene vapor retarder.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Insulation can stop air Some insulation types act as air barriers, while others act like air filters. If you choose an insulation that doesn't stop air flow, it's important to install an adjacent air barrier material.
Best to worst at stopping airflow: Spray foam Rigid foam Cellulose Blown-in fiberglass Fiberglass batts


SHOULD INSULATION STOP VAPOR?

Vapor permeability can be a good thing or a bad thing — vapor retarders slow wetting, but they also slow drying, which may be more important. As long as you design a roof, wall, or floor assembly with these concepts in mind, then almost any type of insulation can work.


Least to most vapor permeable: Foil-faced polyisocyanurate Closed-cell spray foam XPS EPS Open-cell spray foam Cellulose Blown-in fiberglass Fiberglass batts


More on the vapor permance of insulation materials at BuildingScience.com.


INSULATE OUTSIDE THE BOX

Although residential wall insulation is traditionally installed in stud cavities, the best place to locate wall insulation is outside the frame. This exterior insulation reduces the thermal-bridging effect that studs have in a wall, because each piece of framing can act as a thermal bridge through the cavity insulation. These thermal bridges seriously degrade the performance of the wall.


The thermal-bridging effect can be partially addressed by using rigid foam sheathing—usually 1 in. or 2 in. of XPS or polyisocyanurate. Even better are wall designs that place all the insulation—6 in. to 10 in. of rigid foam—outside the framing.


When insulation is outside the frame, framing materials stay warm and dry. When stud bays are not filled with insulation, the work of electricians and plumbers is greatly simplified.
Houses with foam sheathing should not include an interior polyethylene vapor retarder.


OTHER THERMAL BRIDGES


Uninsulated slab edges Window frames Wall and roof penetrations

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Basement Carpet Suggestions

Carpet in Basements: The Issues, Solutions, and Alternatives

Basement floors don't have to be cold and damp but they often are. Unless you can design or retrofit your basement slab to be warm and dry, avoid wall-to-wall carpet as a floor finish.

Posted on Oct 17 by Peter Yost

Designing dry, warm basement floors Dry warm basement floors are designed to manage:

1. Water at ground level - gutters and downspouts connected to splash blocks on soil sloped away from the building; 2. Water at the footing - perimeter pipe drainage at the footing; 3. Water in porous materials - capillary breaks—free-draining gravel and/or nonporous sheet good, like poly—underneath the slab, between the concrete walls and the soil, and between the footing and the foundation walls. 4. Floor surface temperature – subslab rigid insulation warms the basement slab and elevates its temperature.

The basement floor is dry, you think Before you put any finished flooring down on what appears to be a dry floor, it's a smart thing to determine just how dry it really is. Many basement concrete floors don't have a capillary break or vapor barrier installed underneath them and evaporate what can be quite a bit of water off of their surface, water that is wicking from the soil up through the concrete.

There are two simple tests to determine slab moisture transmission

One involves just taping down a sheet of plastic for at least 16 hours and seeing if the underside of the plastic is wet (ASTM D4263).

  1. If it's dry, congratulations, you can put down any finished flooring product you want to.
  2. If it's wet, you might want to consider the next test, the anhydrous calcium chloride test (ASTM F1869), which can tell you the RATE of moisture transmission.
  3. Knowing this rate means that you can check flooring manufacturer recommendations on moisture transmission rates and see what types of flooring can handle what your slab is doing.

Keep in mind that many types of flooring go down with water-soluble adhesives; that can be a real problem if your slab is drying a lot of water through its surface.

Carpet in basements Many, but certainly not all, carpets and carpet cushion are vapor permeable, so if your basement slab is transmitting moisture, it can continue to evaporate up through the pad and carpet. On the other hand, if the carpet or pad is on a cool slab and it is loaded with dirt, pet and human dander, it's just about a perfect place to cultivate dust mites and even mildew.

Bottom line? If your basement slab is un-insulated and/or damp or transmitting moisture (and most are):

1. Avoid installed wall-to-wall carpeting. Choose a hard surface material that meets manufacturer recommendations for what you know to be how much moisture is transmitting up through your basement slab. 2. Maintain gaps for air circulation. Keep absorbent materials up off the basement floor and keep gaps between your slab and all objects, such as furniture. 3. Keep your basement floor clean. Damp mop or vacuum your basement floor on a regular basis, based on use and traffic. If you're using area rugs, launder or clean these on a regular basis and ideally, give them regular exposure to direct sunlight by taking them outside. 4. Manage relative humidity in the basement. Use an Energy Star-labeled dehumidifier to keep the interior relative humidity at or below 60%.



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Re: UPDATED: POLITICO's Morning Energy, presented by America’s Natural Gas Alliance: European polluters funding Senate's climate change skeptics – EPA's new truck regs due today – Murkowski racks up newspaper endorsements – Manchin: Obama's 'wrong' o



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--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Morning Energy <morningenergy@politico.com> wrote:

From: Morning Energy <morningenergy@politico.com>
Subject: UPDATED: POLITICO's Morning Energy, presented by America's Natural Gas Alliance: European polluters funding Senate's climate change skeptics – EPA's new truck regs due today – Murkowski racks up newspaper endorsements – Manchin: Obama's 'wrong' on climate
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 5:41 AM

POLITICO's Morning Energy
By Josh Voorhees

EUROPEAN TEA - BP and a handful of other large European companies are pouring cash into the campaign coffers of conservative Senate candidates who deny the existence of man-made climate change and/or oppose President Obama's energy agenda, according to a report from Climate Action Network Europe out this morning.

The analysis (based on Center for Responsive Politics figures) shows that $240K of the $306K the companies have donated to Senate campaigns went to candidates who have opposed climate legislation (roughly 78 percent). Slightly more than a third of the cash, $107K, went to those who are "climate change deniers" (based on their public comments). The report notes, for comparison, that the Koch brothers have given a total of $217K to Senate campaigns during this election cycle.

THE COMPANIES: BP, Lafarge, GDF-SUEZ, EON, BASF, BAYER, SOLVAY and Arcelor-Mittal. The eight firms combine to represent between 5 and 10 percent of the total CO2 emissions covered by the EU trading system, according to the report.

SYSTEMATIC 'SABOTAGE' - The authors conclude that the pattern of donations shows a systematic and likely coordinated effort by the European businesses to derail U.S. climate action at a time when the companies are simultaneously lobbying against mandated emissions reductions at home by arguing that no action should be taken until the U.S. does so first. "This is essentially climate sabotage on a global scale, because the inaction in the USA is one of the main reasons of the failure to agree [on] an ambitious deal in Copenhagen," the report says.

NAMES AND NUMBERS - The analysis found that the cash was "not only targeted at deniers and blockers but that the financial streams are also very strategic," for instance with large donations ($16K) heading to ENR ranking member Lisa Murkowski. Meanwhile, Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln was the largest benefactor, bringing in a combined $47,500 from seven of the eight companies.

Other recipients include: Jim DeMint ($13K), John Cornyn ($11K), John Barrasso ($10K), Mike Crapo ($10K), Roy Blunt ($9,500), Orrin Hatch ($8K), David Vitter ($7,500), Richard Burr ($7K), James Inhofe ($6K), Chuck Grassley ($5,500) and Mary Landrieu ($4,500). Read the full report here: http://politi.co/arJCTr

** A message from America's Natural Gas Alliance: When used for power generation, natural gas is twice as clean as coal when it comes to carbon emissions. It has 80% fewer NOx emissions and virtually no sulfur dioxide, particulate matter or mercury. http://bit.ly/d652Uo **
NEW TRUCK RULES DUE TODAY - The Obama administration is planning to release draft greenhouse gas emission limits and fuel economy standards for heavy trucks today, several sources told POLITICO. The proposal is expected to call for a 20 percent reduction in GHG emissions from trucks ranging from large pickups to 18-wheelers.

Obama called for the new standards in May as part of a suite of joint EPA and DOT rules to curb heat-trapping emissions from the transportation sector. Heavy-duty trucks emit about 20 percent of the transportation sector's greenhouse gas emissions, making them the transportation segment's second largest contributor after light-duty vehicles. The rules will apply to trucks for model years 2014 to 2018.

Some industry groups have already signaled support for the new rules, but the administration will almost certainly feel pressure from greens to finalize stricter standards. Environmentalists have called on EPA to slash the sector's emissions by about 35 percent.

CAMPAIGN CORNER:

MILLER'S 'MIRAGE' - Three Alaska newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, have endorsed Lisa Murkowski in her write-in bid for reelection. The Daily News, the state' largest paper, touted her seniority as a factor in its decision and described Democratic challenger Scott McAdams as a reasonable but inexperienced choice. Meanwhile, the paper said tea party favorite Joe Miller is "selling a mirage, in which people who think differently don't exist or don't matter." ADN: http://bit.ly/bKIgYn

DEBATE RECAP - Ethics dominated last night's debate in Alaska with Miller admitting that he was docked three days' pay for violating an ethics policy while working as a local government attorney in 2008. AP: http://bit.ly/d7Fm8Y

MANCHIN MONEY - Democrat Joe Manchin has raised more than $3.5 million for his Senate bid, while John Raese has loaned his campaign at least $1.4 million, according to FEC filings. But the candidates combined spending has been eclipsed by cash from political parties and outside groups. More than a dozen organizations have spent a combined $8.3 million on the race, nearly 60 percent of which has been on ads attacking Manchin or backing Raese. Charleston Gazette: http://bit.ly/aIxFzf

'WE JUST DIFFER' - Manchin was on the defensive yesterday when he was grilled by Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace on where he and the president disagree. Manchin went straight to climate: "President Obama - cap and trade - we just differ. We respectfully differ on that. He is - I believe, in my estimation, he's wrong on that issue. West Virginians basically have always been patriotic, helping this nation, supplying the energy that the nation needs. We can do it better. We've always done it better." Transcript: http://fxn.ws/9u1j9a

PROP 23 FUNDING UPDATE - Valero and Tesoro, the two Texas oil companies pushing to kill California's climate law, kicked in $1 million and $500,000 respectively last Friday. The industry coalition has raised more than $10.5 million to date. Team No continues to dominate in the fundraising, passing the $30 million mark after some big donations last week from Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates ($700,000), the Nature Conservancy ($500,000) and Pacific Gas & Electric Co. ($250,000).

LATEST PROP POLLING - The ballot initiative is trailing by 16 points, 48 to 32 percent, among likely voters, according to a new LA Times/USC poll. http://lat.ms/9KtDj8

LIGHTNING ROUND:
-- The Coast Guard-Interior joint BP investigation has been given an extra 60 days to complete their work. NYT: http://bit.ly/arYn08

-- Soot from commercial space tourism could change global temperatures. Nature: http://bit.ly/bneno9

-- Energy Secretary Steven Chu told Google employees that "we have taken our technological leadership for granted." TechCrunch: http://tcrn.ch/dBlDR6

-- Over the weekend NPR took a look at what a GOP victory this November would mean for global warming legislation. (ME bets you can guess the answer). Listen to the 11-minute audio here: http://n.pr/dhKGU0

-- David Katz, a special assistant to Secretary Chu, was part of Obama's Sunday foursome.

THIS WEEK'S ACTION:

Today: The Brookings Institute holds a discussion on "Developing Clean Energy Markets: Toward China-Japan-U.S. Cooperation." Kicks off at 10 a.m. at 1775 Mass Ave. NW.

Today: John Kerry gives a speech at Yale this evening on the need to pass climate change legislation. He takes the stage at 7 p.m. with Q&A to follow.

Tomorrow: The Atlantic's "Green Intelligence" forum opens with a keynote from Interior deputy secretary David Hayes at 8:50 a.m. The two-day event will include speeches from Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter (D), Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D) and White House science adviser John Holdren. Ronald Regan Building.

Tomorrow: NRDC will hold a press call at 10 a.m. to discuss the expectations for Obama's upcoming trip to India in the broader context of U.S.-India cooperation on climate change and clean energy. The call will feature R.K. Pachauri, director general of TERI India and chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Tomorrow: The Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies holds a pair of discussions on transportation and climate, and on what impact the midterm elections will have on the future of U.S. energy and climate policy. 11:30 a.m. at Union Station.

Tomorrow: The Civil Society Institute will brief reporters at 1:30 p.m. on the latest polling data on the mindset of tea party supporters and independent voters on climate and clean energy.

Wednesday: Constellation Energy holds its second annual "Public Sector Executive Energy" symposium. Participants include EPA's Blaine Collison. Starts at 8 a.m. at the U.S. Navy Memorial.

Wednesday: The wind energy industry holds a policy briefing featuring FERC commissioner Cheryl LaFleur. 11:30 a.m. in the Capitol (LUNCH SERVED!)

Wednesday: NRDC briefs reporters on a new ozone smog pollution report that will rank the worst-off metro areas. 1:30 p.m.

Thursday: The American Gas Association holds a roundtable with EIA chief Richard Newell on the 2011 outlook for natural gas. Noon at the University Club.

CHECKING THE TRAPS:

SF Chron: Prop 23 threatens clean-tech start-ups. http://bit.ly/9QZ6nd

WSJ: House E&C chairman emeritus John Dingell is feeling the heat in Michigan. http://bit.ly/9JXveV

LAT: California high-speed rail officials have taken a series of overseas trips paid for by foreign governments hoping to land contracts with the multibillion-dollar project, but the rail agency has been unable to document the trip details as generally required by state ethics regulations. http://lat.ms/bkt77X

WaPo: The last house standing on the Chesapeake Bay's Holland Island collapsed last weekend, the latest illustration of how rising tides and climate change are reshaping the bay. http://wapo.st/9UiF4S

** A message from America's Natural Gas Alliance: One solution for more abundant domestic energy is staring us in the face. Natural gas is the natural choice-now and in the future. We know we need to use cleaner, American energy. And, we have it. Today, the U.S. has more natural gas than Saudi Arabia has oil, giving us generations of this clean, domestic energy source. Natural gas supports 2.8 million American jobs, most states are now home to more than 10,000 natural gas jobs. As Congress and the Administration look for ways toward a cleaner tomorrow, the answer is right here: natural gas. Learn more at www.anga.us . And, follow us on Twitter @angaus. **

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Clean Energy Screening- Free Webinar for State and Local Officials

 
DOE Webinar October 27: Using RETScreen to Identify Promising Energy Projects
October 25, 2010

The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) Technical Assistance Project (TAP) for state and local officials will present a Webinar this Wednesday about a free software tool for screening potential clean energy projects. At the Webinar, you will hear about how to use RETScreen to significantly reduce the cost of pre-feasibility and feasibility studies of potential renewable energy and energy efficiency projects.
The presentation will take place October 27, 2010, from 3:00 to 4:15 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, and is titled "Using RETScreen to Identify the Most Promising Clean Energy Projects."
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